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Chicago is known as you know the I think

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a few years back it was called the the

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mass shooting capital of the United

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States it had that's where it had 18

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incidents I think in 2015 were more than

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four people were shot four more people

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so it has that reputation of being a

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very violent place and it is not the

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most violent city in the u.s. although

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it is a high-profile city and attracts

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headlines and especially when the

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president starts talking about Chicago

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and saying you know it's out of control

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and some people think it is the latest

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thing

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now that we've had shootings on the

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subway and robberies the Charlie Beck

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who is the current police superintendent

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here the former LA chief has put SWAT

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teams on the subway trains and they're

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not in full tactical gear but it's a

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show of force and an indication of just

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how serious the violence has gotten

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throughout the city I mean most of the

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shootings and homicides take place on

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the south side and the west side Austin

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and Englewood districts but it's

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starting to get into the Magnificent

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Mile robberies and shootings there and

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especially on the subway on the red line

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subway which you probably remember from

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your days in Chicago was is becoming a

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dangerous place and people are kind of

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fearful about that so I think that's an

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indication of what's going on in Chicago

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so is it real though that Chicago has an

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inordinate gun violence problem compared

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to other cities I I think it does I

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think the gun violence here is it's

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happening all over and a lot of innocent

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people and children are getting shot and

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that's very shocking when when young

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children are staying you know getting

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shot just because they happen to be in

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the wrong place at the wrong time so I

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mean it starts to feel like you're in

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the Wild West somewhere you know that

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that gun gun violence can break out at

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any time so I you know statistically the

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the gun violence is not as bad as it was

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back and say 90 to 93 I think and that

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you're la still had a really big problem

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- with thinking they had almost 1,100

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homicides in 92 so in your years of

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covering crime in Chicago are you seeing

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what policies seem to work and what

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policies do not work well the 2016 saw

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the big spike in in homicides prior to

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that you know Chicago had adopted some

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of the policies that New York and Los

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Angeles

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used in their policing and that included

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stop and frisk where officers would just

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stop suspicious-looking people on the

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street frisk them and they were

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recovering thousands and thousands of

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guns off the streets illegal firearms so

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that stopped in 2016 after the ACLU

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filed the lawsuit and there was a

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consent that group decree that case so

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that is because that's super

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controversial as we'd look at the

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presidential election obviously with

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Bloomberg and New York etc so you're

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saying that in Chicago they were using

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stopping for us the same stop and first

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we hear about out of New York correct

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use Sue's alleging what that it was

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being applied in a discriminatory

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fashion correct because 70% of the

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people stopped were african-american hmm

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now Bloomberg 94% of violent crimes are

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taking place by minority males between

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the ages of 16 and 24 which that I don't

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know whether that statistic is precisely

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correct but it's probably generally

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correct so

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why is it a discriminatory policy if it

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turns out that the stopping and frisking

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is happening at about the same

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percentage as the level of crime among

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that community right oh not quite sure

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why that I mean you would think the

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issue would be the public safety right

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and the ACLU and I'm not saying it's

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wrong but I think the ACLU has taken a

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policy a weapon away from the police

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department that allowed them to stop

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people and recover guns I mean isn't

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that the the the purpose of the police

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department is to prevent crime so now

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there's a very dangerous trend going on

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right now that I see in this whole

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criminal justice reform which there are

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elements of it that I support but the

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idea that a law is inherently

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discriminatory because a particular race

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is arrested of it more so you have to

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compare ok what percentage is committing

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the crimes and the truth is as it is

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true everywhere in the world most crime

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is centered in poorer inner-city

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communities and those inner-city

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communities at least in America are more

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heavily minority so you can't just

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simply say that oh because this law is

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adversely affecting this group that

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there's something inherently racist

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about that law and same thing with stop

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and frisk oh there's something

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inherently racist about stop and frisk

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because it's happening more in a

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minority community right well I think

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that you have a african-american

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community that is sensitive to those

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issues and and it's like driving while

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black right right that was a huge thing

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now it's walking like black ok so if

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you're walking down the street and the

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police officer especially a white police

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officer thinks you look suspicious then

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and they can stop and frisk you for

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without any valid reason other than

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you're in the high crime neighborhood I

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think there's some issue be clear though

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it's my understanding

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it wasn't truly stop-and-frisk that

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there had to be probable cause before

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they did the frisking so they weren't

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just saying walking while black lets

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frisk the guy right there had to be some

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probable cause to believe that this

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person is engaging in some type some

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type of suspicious behavior we are

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looking for Scottie by this profile

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who's been you know there's been a crime

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committed in the area etc right there

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there was some reason to be to be

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looking at the subject walking on the

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street where they're located in their

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race yeah well I think let me let me

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read you a statistic here from this is a

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kind of a telling statistic from a study

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done months by some mom University of

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Utah professors between 2006 and 2012

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and the non-fatal gunshot victims not

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fit not homicides but won't people who

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were wounded there was forty six point

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five victims per 100,000 persons that's

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the per capita rate forty six point five

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of those White's accounted for one point

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six two for a hundred thousand Hispanics

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twenty eight point seventy two four

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hundred thousand and african-americans

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were 112 point eight three four hundred

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thousand that's an astonishing figure so

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just just to make sure I understood

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edith said comparing let's just keep it

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simple blacks to whites over a hundred

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times more gun violence against blacks

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than whites

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correct correct and in ninety some odd

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percent of that is black on black

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correct it is black on black and part of

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the problem in chicago and i think this

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has been recognized by the new mayor and

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and and Charlie Beck is the culture of

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gang violence that has really started to

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rule some of these areas and they

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they're they're it's almost impossible

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to break apparently

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and I'm talking I was talking to a

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retired homicide detective the other day

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and he said you know I would never pull

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up my car in front of a black person's

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house that I wanted to talk to for

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information because they were terrified

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that they would be targeted by the gangs

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in and in retaliation would take place

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so there is a real wall of silence there

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in the block you're saying police we're

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concerned about that the police are

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concerned about it I mean I viewed

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police officer is afraid to pull his car

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up in front of a potential suspects home

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for fear that they'll be retaliation by

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gangs against that police officer no I'm

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saying that the police would not this

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officer and I think was a general

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practice they would not pull up in front

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of a potential witnesses house in the

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inner city for fear that those people

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would be retaliated against all right so

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there there's no there is very little

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information witness information that

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police can get in many cases so the

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clearance rate in homicides in Chicago

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is only 20% that's pretty low and in the

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meantime you have all the law-abiding

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citizens in these communities that

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appreciate having the police there and

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and but you've got all these movements

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suggesting that oh police having heavy

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presence in a black neighborhood that's

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inherently racist they're out looking to

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arrest black people just because of

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their race and in fact know they're

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trying to protect these communities that

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are at-risk communities yes they are and

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I think it's I mean it's a difficult

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task for the police department is just

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so frustrating but yeah I mean this

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liberal narrative you know to blame

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everything on racism is hurting their

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own communities yeah I do agree with you

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I think that until the communities

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themselves and there has been some

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movement towards it take responsibility

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for some of this and try to try to

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prevent

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or at least help the police department

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solve crimes it's going to be an ongoing

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problem for a long time yeah and and and

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we had a recent interview on this

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subject where we talked about the talk

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that parents have with their children

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want to you know the talk being that hey

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if you have an interaction with police

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be be you know do whatever they say

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don't run from police stop and talk to

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police and be respectful of police and

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so on that's a talk that every parent

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should have with every child is that way

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I've never had any adverse reaction with

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police because I do whatever the heck

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they tell me to do and I recognize that

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they're they're trying to protect us but

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if you raise your children to not trust

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the police and the talk is hey you got

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to look out for these police because

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they're looking at you and you have it

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and you build this inherent distrust in

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a child when they see police that isn't

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conducive to having an environment in

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those communities where people are

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cooperating with the police and helping

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them right well I think there's some

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social problems that have led to this I

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mean we there's a big problem with

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fathers who are not present in their

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families and there's no for a lot of

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kids there's no guidance I'm not saying

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that that's the case in all families in

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the inner city but there is a lot of

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problem with absentee father's and

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there's no supervision for the the male

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children and then they are adopted by

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the gangs and they're brought up by the

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gangs and that that's a culture that is

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very difficult now la with through gang

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intervention and community outreach

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really helped lower the homicide rate in

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that city and I think that's what

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Charlie Beck might bring here more

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community outreach and more gang

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intervention attempts seems like

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you've had a lot of success in both New

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York and Los Angeles I just say that you

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know during the time of the riots in the

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early 90s was probably the height of our

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problems at least in my lifetime and

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carjackings etc and right now LA

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generally speaking feels like a pretty

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safe city New York certainly up until

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recently I think has felt like a very

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safe city you've had a very couple very

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tough mayors and Giuliani and Bloomberg

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and how they've addressed policing and I

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mean New York has had an spectacular

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turnaround you know for people familiar

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I've started going to New York in the

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80s and I kept my wallet in my front

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pocket and was constantly concerned

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about being mugged and I don't have that

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feeling at all in New York anymore do

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you remember the subways in New York in

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the mid-80s

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yeah it was astonishing to see the

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subway pull up at the platform covered

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with graffiti it was it was shocking it

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was like when I was there was like wow

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this looks like an alien world arriving

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here so it has done a remarkable

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turnaround and you know the Bloomberg's

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being his feet are being held to the

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fire for the stop-and-frisk policies and

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I'm I'm not sure that the stop and frisk

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is such a bad thing

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I mean I I agree that there are some

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issues there that and police have to be

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careful but I just think how else are

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you going to get the guns off the

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streets I mean last year Chicago police

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confiscated 10,000 guns well it's a

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responsibility society that we have so

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you know we don't want to suggest that

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the black community is itself is

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responsible for its own problems the

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message would rather be that no the only

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reason you have these problems is this

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rampant system systemic racism in

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America when thinking people know that

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the level of racism in America today is

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at its lowest point that it's ever been

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and that in my view it's at a level

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that is similar to the amount of

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discriminatory thoughts and actions

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there are regarding a whole host of

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communities gay overweight unattractive

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people right every there's

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discrimination out there against all

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types and all kinds for all kinds of

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reasons yes right I agree highlight race

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as the big problem when it comes to

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discrimination is just dead wrong and in

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and I really disagree with raising your

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children to believe that hey it's gonna

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be tough out there for you you know

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you're gonna have to really have to

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overachieve because there's all these

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obstacles for you and people are gonna

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be looking at your race and looking at

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you differently and so on I mean is that

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a healthy way to raise a child or should

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you raise a child to believe that you

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know what you can go out and be anything

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you want to be which has been proven

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again and again and again and again and

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again for everybody regardless of race

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sex and religion Hillary Clinton was the

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Democratic nominee for president she's a

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woman we've got now Budaj gay man

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winning in Iowa right we have Obama

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black man president of the United States

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if these things don't prove that anybody

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can achieve anything you want America as

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long as you put your nose to the

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grindstone and work hard

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that's the message to be telling

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everybody that's the message to be

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telling our children that is America

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yeah I agree I mean I I think it's still

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difficult for for black people more than

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it is for white people I mean I feel

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that if I was a black guy I would

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probably have to work harder than I did

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or strive harder than I did but I had I

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had great parents and a good family

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upbringing my parents were not racist

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whatsoever so you know I I just think

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that that's all I agree with you but but

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but my point is there's challenge

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for everyone there's economic challenges

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I mean do you think the Cosby kids have

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had it tougher he's a bad example now

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because of what's happened to him but

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this is an example that I've always used

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when I talk about these things but you

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know as say Michael Jordan's kids where

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I have a tougher I mean no no but I was

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gonna mention Cosby earlier it's funny

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you brought up his name because you know

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when he when he gave that talk you know

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like to a black audience you have to

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take responsibility right you have to

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and he was roundly criticized I thought

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why would you criticize somebody for

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telling you you know you have to take

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responsibility for your life right and

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if you have to work harder then you have

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to work harder if you are in short

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supply unfortunately in the black

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community because it's a lot easier to

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preach victimhood and discrimination

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what I often point out that Barack Obama

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when he first became a candidate for

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president he was saying those tough

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things about the black and the

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importance of fathers taking

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responsibility and so on but once he got

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ingratiated into the Democratic Party

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and ultimately came president he in my

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opinion sold out on that issue I thought

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that he could have done so much more in

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going into the black communities but you

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know when you've got the jesse jackson's

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of the world coming to visit him in the

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white house and you know it's like okay

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do i really want to take on a fight with

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the leaders of the black community when

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i got all these other things to deal

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with that screw it I'll let them keep

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that issue yeah I think you know the

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Jesse Jackson still has a big following

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in the black community but I know I had

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a great african-american friend he was a

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newspaper reporter Walter Morrison and

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he thought Jesse Jackson was kind of a

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oh just a publicity hound and you know

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and not very effective really so you

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know I I I agree with you that that

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there is an L

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of you know we have to be the black

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community is falling back on and not in

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all cases I mean it's changing the black

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community is changing too but they do

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say they fall back on the racism issue

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right and that's why because we brought

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up bad or you know we didn't have any

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family and I a lot of cases in court

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where you know somebody's charged with

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an african-american guy is charged with

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some crime and you know the defense

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attorney will say well he you know these

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issues when he was a child who was

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abused and it was this and I always

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think well you know a lot of people were

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abused when their children in some form

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or another or or somehow you know under

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privileged and they don't go out and

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kill or try to rob people so I you know

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I'm kind of don't give that much

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sympathy you know a lot of people are

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are hurt when they're growing up you

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know well I didn't intend this

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conversation get this political but as

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long as they're before we move on to a

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couple of things we wanted to cover what

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do you get any read there as far as

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where the black community are when it

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comes to politics right now him since

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that is the hot-button issue and the

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question about for instance you know how

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is Trump gonna do in that community he

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continues to tout that you've got the

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lowest unemployment rates in history etc

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and is is is he really in a position to

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lure more of that vote than he then

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Republicans ever have before yeah I

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don't see that happening

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and I don't think he has any sort of

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historic connection to the black

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community working or donating funds or

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any sort of higher profile publicity

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with the black leaders and I don't think

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you know Chicago has Lori Lightfoot now

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gay a gay mayor and a former federal

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prosecutor so she's tough and I don't

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think she's gonna lend any support to

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Trump and I think the black community

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looks not only in Chicago but in other

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cities looks to Lori Lightfoot as this

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sort of new ray of hope for the black

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community that feels it's an

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underprivileged and you know just

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suppressed

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you know the black African Americans are

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about 13% of the US population and they

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they really command a great deal of

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publicity and press which they should

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because it's historically they have been

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really suppressed and I remember when

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Dennis Hastert was Speaker of the House

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I had a chance to ask him I asked him I

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said and it was a topic on Capitol Hill

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reparations for slavery and I said what

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do you think about reparations it's

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being talked about and you would have

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thought I slapped him in the face it was

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something he did not even want to

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discuss and I thought wow your speaker

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of the house you should at least have a

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diplomatic response to that like I don't

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how would we do it who would Howard

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where would we get the money

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how would you divide up the money in but

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I think it's a it's a fair question at

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least discuss and have a rational

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discussion about don't you think well

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yeah I think it's Tom Styer is the one

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who's throwing out the reparations right

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but I saw him interviewed recently where

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he didn't necessarily equate reparations

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with cash payments he's suggesting that

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a panel be set up to analyze the effects

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of long-term systemic racism with that

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community and then to seek to repair it

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through whatever means right right you

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know look I'm not opposed to that kind

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of a study to figure out you know why is

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this community behind as long as it is a

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fair and open-minded analysis of it that

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is not politically biased but good luck

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with that

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right

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because you know I think there's a

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decent argument that the problems that

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exist in that community today are not

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necessarily a result of history of

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slavery or

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racism but issues in this community with

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again as you said you know lack of black

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fathers is very significant being raised

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you know got a lot of broken homes I

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mean the percentages of children in the

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inner city you've raised in broken homes

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is significantly higher than out in the

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suburbs and for me and this is something

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I address on my show again again so it's

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nothing new for my listeners to hear me

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say this but I think broken homes is

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America's biggest problem I think when

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you see the mental health issues the

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drug addiction issues and so on children

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raised in in an unstable home the

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child's brain is developing from a very

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young age and when you have not a stable

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home life and a lot of anxiety at home

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that brain does not develop properly and

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ultimately results in a lot of mental

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illness and self-medicating and drug

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addiction and this that and the other so

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that's what I think the major issue is

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in the inner cities yeah I I agree

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there's a lot of social problems there

547
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and and absentee father's are a huge

548
00:26:09,050 --> 00:26:03,640
problem but and look I look at the

549
00:26:12,090 --> 00:26:09,060
current crisis and health crisis with

550
00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:12,100
drugs pharmaceuticals that white

551
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:15,460
communities are facing now and overdose

552
00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:21,370
problems and I it's really become it's

553
00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:24,160
really become a national thing and when

554
00:26:29,010 --> 00:26:25,960
it was happening in the black community

555
00:26:30,510 --> 00:26:29,020
it was all those black people just you

556
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:30,520
know they just want to take drugs and

557
00:26:35,220 --> 00:26:33,970
deal drugs and and now I would even with

558
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:35,230
the problems in the white community it's

559
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:36,730
a much different thing focus well

560
00:26:39,539 --> 00:26:39,010
exactly and that actually further makes

561
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:39,549
my point

562
00:26:44,369 --> 00:26:41,110
because if you look at the statistics

563
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:44,379
the percentage of all communities

564
00:26:51,389 --> 00:26:46,809
including white being raised in broken

565
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:51,399
homes has gone up significantly so right

566
00:26:55,950 --> 00:26:54,129
this opioid crisis you see in the white

567
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:55,960
community also I mean and then look at

568
00:27:02,039 --> 00:26:59,679
you know mass shootings we wonder why do

569
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,049
we have so many mass shootings today

570
00:27:07,649 --> 00:27:05,200
yeah you've always had the guns we

571
00:27:09,509 --> 00:27:07,659
haven't had the mass shootings all right

572
00:27:12,389 --> 00:27:09,519
these mass shootings and when you look

573
00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:12,399
at them again and again typically

574
00:27:19,109 --> 00:27:15,700
they're it's a young white male with

575
00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:19,119
with serious mental issues I mean show

576
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,649
me a mass shooter that had a lovely

577
00:27:25,889 --> 00:27:22,799
childhood it doesn't exist

578
00:27:28,919 --> 00:27:25,899
right well I don't know I I listened to

579
00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:28,929
your podcast on Steve panic the Las

580
00:27:35,879 --> 00:27:32,230
Vegas shooter right and I don't know

581
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:35,889
that he had a bad childhood or well he

582
00:27:41,129 --> 00:27:39,039
did his father you know was on the FBI's

583
00:27:45,239 --> 00:27:41,139
most wanted list so he's bright that's

584
00:27:46,769 --> 00:27:45,249
true yes known Psychopaths and and on

585
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:46,779
the FBI's most wanted list he was not

586
00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:49,809
there for them as a child so they were

587
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:52,389
basically raised without him in fact

588
00:27:57,389 --> 00:27:54,100
they were they were told by their mother

589
00:27:59,279 --> 00:27:57,399
that that their father wasn't alive and

590
00:28:02,129 --> 00:27:59,289
it wasn't until they were in their late

591
00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:02,139
teens that she came clean and actually

592
00:28:07,649 --> 00:28:03,940
told them that know your father is alive

593
00:28:11,129 --> 00:28:07,659
and Steven all of them are very upset

594
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:11,139
with the mother for not for lying about

595
00:28:15,539 --> 00:28:12,129
this for so many years

596
00:28:18,060 --> 00:28:15,549
two of us decided to go meet with him

597
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:18,070
didn't go very well as you could imagine

598
00:28:22,109 --> 00:28:20,529
Steven was so bitter that he is I'm not

599
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:22,119
even gonna bother to go meet with him

600
00:28:29,489 --> 00:28:26,220
but so he had perhaps some genetic

601
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:29,499
issues from the father but also yes he

602
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:32,940
was raised without his biological father

603
00:28:40,259 --> 00:28:36,970
yes well a lot of people are don't

604
00:28:43,619 --> 00:28:40,269
commit mass murders like that but so I

605
00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:43,629
know it's a more likely condition for it

606
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,070
is mine yeah inexplicable stuff well

607
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:50,080
let's turn to your city's sexiest case

608
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:54,129
right now which is Jesse Smollett

609
00:28:59,619 --> 00:28:57,049
yesterday was in court pleading not

610
00:29:01,349 --> 00:28:59,629
guilty to new charges I guess there's

611
00:29:03,999 --> 00:29:01,359
six charges this time essentially

612
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:04,009
involving you know faking the scandal

613
00:29:10,899 --> 00:29:07,609
and in lying to police about it the the

614
00:29:14,199 --> 00:29:10,909
I mean I I don't know anybody at this

615
00:29:17,199 --> 00:29:14,209
point who doesn't believe that he in

616
00:29:19,149 --> 00:29:17,209
fact you know manipulated and

617
00:29:20,889 --> 00:29:19,159
manufactured this event I mean

618
00:29:23,589 --> 00:29:20,899
ultimately that that's going to be what

619
00:29:25,479 --> 00:29:23,599
the trial is about but people's it seems

620
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:25,489
pretty obvious including to your former

621
00:29:30,969 --> 00:29:28,849
mayor Emanuel who certainly in Prior

622
00:29:33,999 --> 00:29:30,979
plea you thought the evidence was

623
00:29:37,739 --> 00:29:34,009
abundantly clear that he had faked this

624
00:29:42,749 --> 00:29:37,749
own attack and trying to stage it as a

625
00:29:46,810 --> 00:29:42,759
racially motivated and or homophobic

626
00:29:50,349 --> 00:29:46,820
motivated attack but the the big

627
00:29:54,609 --> 00:29:50,359
question for me is and the scandal here

628
00:29:59,079 --> 00:29:54,619
is how did he get off on this so easily

629
00:30:01,779 --> 00:29:59,089
and what's going to happen now after

630
00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:01,789
this special prosecutor came out

631
00:30:09,699 --> 00:30:05,899
investigated this they've rebrov great

632
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:09,709
but I want to know what are they finding

633
00:30:16,329 --> 00:30:12,289
out about what happened behind the

634
00:30:18,909 --> 00:30:16,339
scenes to allow this guy to skate when

635
00:30:21,369 --> 00:30:18,919
the police chief himself was saying that

636
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:21,379
this was manufactured and this guy ought

637
00:30:25,419 --> 00:30:23,809
to be prosecuted for this the mayor

638
00:30:29,949 --> 00:30:25,429
thought that and everybody in America

639
00:30:33,310 --> 00:30:29,959
thought that well that's a it's a great

640
00:30:37,109 --> 00:30:33,320
point even I thought when it first

641
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:37,119
happened I think was February last year

642
00:30:43,180 --> 00:30:40,129
when it first happened I thought you

643
00:30:45,129 --> 00:30:43,190
know that just sounds really I don't

644
00:30:47,259 --> 00:30:45,139
think that's you get two guys walking

645
00:30:48,819 --> 00:30:47,269
around at 1:00 a.m. with megawhatts on

646
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:48,829
with a noose if they're just waiting for

647
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:50,570
some guy to come out some

648
00:30:53,349 --> 00:30:52,129
african-american guy to come on and

649
00:30:56,109 --> 00:30:53,359
abused him I thought that sounds

650
00:30:58,269 --> 00:30:56,119
ridiculous and happened to recognize him

651
00:31:03,430 --> 00:30:58,279
as a star on this show when in fact the

652
00:31:07,210 --> 00:31:03,440
guy wasn't a very big star but but not

653
00:31:09,580 --> 00:31:07,220
only were they looking for somebody

654
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:09,590
beat up apparently they happened to

655
00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:12,650
recognize this guy is oh there's at 1:00

656
00:31:20,529 --> 00:31:14,140
in the morning there's Jesse Smollett

657
00:31:25,149 --> 00:31:20,539
star actor of Empire let's get him right

658
00:31:28,390 --> 00:31:25,159
I know it seemed ludicrous to me but as

659
00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:28,400
to the other point about how these

660
00:31:36,909 --> 00:31:34,600
that's a that's a great question I don't

661
00:31:39,370 --> 00:31:36,919
know if we'll ever find out it would be

662
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:39,380
creative Dan Webb who issued a new

663
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:44,000
charges right he's the former US

664
00:31:48,690 --> 00:31:45,710
Attorney for the Northern District of

665
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:48,700
Illinois and prosecuted a lot of

666
00:31:57,460 --> 00:31:53,600
corruption cases back in the in the 90s

667
00:31:59,890 --> 00:31:57,470
heat up prosecutor he has been appointed

668
00:32:01,899 --> 00:31:59,900
special prosecutor in this case and he

669
00:32:03,610 --> 00:32:01,909
got the institute errs as we've learned

670
00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:03,620
through all the Trump special

671
00:32:10,029 --> 00:32:06,470
prosecutors and you know looking at the

672
00:32:13,450 --> 00:32:10,039
FBI etc is to try to understand what was

673
00:32:16,390 --> 00:32:13,460
going on internally that caused this to

674
00:32:18,850 --> 00:32:16,400
happen so again great that it resulted

675
00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:18,860
in the new charges but my thought would

676
00:32:23,230 --> 00:32:21,080
be a special prosecutor's primary job is

677
00:32:25,659 --> 00:32:23,240
to dig in and find out was there

678
00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:25,669
something scandalous going on and we

679
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:27,740
already know some slightly scandalous

680
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:30,890
things right that that go ahead we know

681
00:32:37,659 --> 00:32:34,610
that Kim Fox who was the the Cook County

682
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:37,669
State's Attorney the project the top

683
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:41,360
prosecutor in Cook County received the

684
00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:44,570
call from Tina Chen who was Michelle

685
00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:48,169
Obama's chief of staff at one point what

686
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:52,150
that conversation was about is unclear

687
00:32:58,330 --> 00:32:55,970
but it followed the charges the

688
00:33:00,520 --> 00:32:58,340
indictments against justice Smollett

689
00:33:03,820 --> 00:33:00,530
tell me what we know about chin other

690
00:33:10,299 --> 00:33:03,830
than being chief of staff for Michelle

691
00:33:13,870 --> 00:33:10,309
Obama well she still is a influential

692
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:13,880
person I'm not sure what she's doing

693
00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:17,090
right now but she obviously has some

694
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:21,020
connections in - and those can fire

695
00:33:24,850 --> 00:33:23,810
is she a lawyer uh you know I'm not sure

696
00:33:28,060 --> 00:33:24,860
she's a lawyer

697
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:28,070
I don't think so she may be so it

698
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:29,810
appears that somehow Smollett or his

699
00:33:36,670 --> 00:33:33,440
people had a connection to Tina Chen who

700
00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:36,680
has some clout in Chicago being Michelle

701
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:39,500
Obama's chief of staff formerly yes and

702
00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:41,930
they employ her in some way too please

703
00:33:47,260 --> 00:33:44,300
weigh in on behalf of our client see

704
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:47,270
what you can do which by the way is very

705
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:50,330
common that's why any of us would do

706
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:53,330
because bottom line there are ways to

707
00:33:57,580 --> 00:33:55,430
work back channels when it comes to

708
00:33:59,680 --> 00:33:57,590
people looking into you for a crime and

709
00:34:01,330 --> 00:33:59,690
try to negotiate something so you're

710
00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:01,340
gonna look for every possible contact

711
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:03,470
that you have through a back channel to

712
00:34:07,630 --> 00:34:04,750
see what you could do to possibly

713
00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:07,640
resolve this so that's nothing unusual

714
00:34:11,530 --> 00:34:09,260
there that's what they do

715
00:34:14,409 --> 00:34:11,540
Tina Chen says oh yeah I think I can

716
00:34:17,020 --> 00:34:14,419
help because I know Kim Fox I see her

717
00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:17,030
lots of campaign events etc etc right

718
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:19,460
and so she talks to Kim Fox we don't

719
00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:22,790
know what that conversation is correct

720
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:24,950
but later as a result of that

721
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:27,290
conversation Kim Fox decides she has to

722
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:30,770
recuse herself correct she refused

723
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:34,970
herself still it's not like she left the

724
00:34:40,750 --> 00:34:37,610
office for a month right she's in the

725
00:34:44,919 --> 00:34:40,760
office and she's the boss so the upshot

726
00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:44,929
of it was they the state motioned up the

727
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:48,470
case right and then just without

728
00:34:53,710 --> 00:34:51,110
notifying the police department which

729
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:53,720
had spent you know thousands of

730
00:35:00,480 --> 00:34:56,270
man-hours trying to find these two guys

731
00:35:02,740 --> 00:35:00,490
and you know investigating this and

732
00:35:05,580 --> 00:35:02,750
motion the case up and just dropped it

733
00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:05,590
without notifying any of the other

734
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,660
principals in the case it was totally

735
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:10,640
mishandled I thought if they were to

736
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:13,310
come forward and said and had like you

737
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:15,050
know a 402 conference or something

738
00:35:19,390 --> 00:35:17,000
here's what we'll do if you plead guilty

739
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:19,400
to like disorderly conduct or something

740
00:35:25,450 --> 00:35:22,310
like that but no they just dropped the

741
00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:25,460
case which was a total everybody thought

742
00:35:29,290 --> 00:35:27,830
what this guy made this stuff up because

743
00:35:32,170 --> 00:35:29,300
the police departments coming forward

744
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:32,180
like we found these two brothers he paid

745
00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:34,050
the Chiang we had the checks

746
00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:38,190
we witnesses saying this is what

747
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:40,350
happened the stage and we were paid to

748
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:43,980
stage it yeah and you know the case the

749
00:35:49,070 --> 00:35:45,540
preponderance of the evidence was

750
00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:49,080
clearly against Smollett and he was he

751
00:35:53,330 --> 00:35:50,520
had been charged with filing felony

752
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:53,340
filing a false police report now he's

753
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:55,380
charged with felony disorderly conduct

754
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,980
which you can see is eventually if he's

755
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:00,720
if you plead guilty to misdemeanor

756
00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:03,210
disorderly conduct you'll get probation

757
00:36:07,820 --> 00:36:05,460
or something or or not even probation

758
00:36:10,810 --> 00:36:07,830
it's would be a misdemeanor would be you

759
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,820
know dismissed after a year of

760
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:12,480
supervision or something like that

761
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:14,970
what's really significant though is that

762
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:16,890
they were simply dropped

763
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:19,710
had it been a plea deal and he had pled

764
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:22,380
guilty to say a misdemeanor in exchange

765
00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:24,540
for punishment then they couldn't have

766
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:26,790
gone back after him but it's right

767
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:29,640
standing of double jeopardy rules that

768
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:33,570
even though he had a deal before they're

769
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:35,460
allowed to prosecute him again because

770
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:37,500
that was not a plea deal that was simply

771
00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:41,010
the city saying where we've decided

772
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:42,990
we're not gonna charge you the county

773
00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:46,020
right the county prosecutor it's so that

774
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:47,910
it's not a city prosecutor it's a county

775
00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:50,070
prosecutor and it was a city police

776
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:52,830
department so obviously there's a little

777
00:36:57,230 --> 00:36:55,650
rift there between the PD and the

778
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:57,240
state's attorney's office I don't know

779
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:00,960
if it's little or how big it is but Kim

780
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:04,290
Fox came in and they've reviewed the

781
00:37:08,590 --> 00:37:06,510
bond procedures now people are saying

782
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:08,600
that and she's the first

783
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:12,240
african-american state's attorney in

784
00:37:18,740 --> 00:37:16,710
Cook County previously believed it is

785
00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:18,750
there are people saying that even though

786
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,140
she recused herself that she nonetheless

787
00:37:29,090 --> 00:37:24,960
stayed involved and she tipped the

788
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:29,100
scales I would yes people believe that

789
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:31,170
people are saying you know it's Kim

790
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:36,800
Fox's office and she's really kind of

791
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:39,900
waited this you know it basically it was

792
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:42,710
a decision against a police department

793
00:37:47,540 --> 00:37:46,110
and I think that really created the the

794
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,550
rift there

795
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:49,680
Eddie Johnson was the soup previous

796
00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:51,180
superintendent he is an african-american

797
00:37:57,799 --> 00:37:55,020
guy now fire but I that's I found

798
00:38:01,010 --> 00:37:57,809
interesting is that you've got the mayor

799
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:01,020
a Democrat you've got the the Chief of

800
00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:05,730
Police Johnson a Democrat I assume yeah

801
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:08,430
I would assume but and you've got kim

802
00:38:13,940 --> 00:38:11,510
fox a democrat so these are people that

803
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:13,950
presumably travel in the same circles

804
00:38:18,190 --> 00:38:15,660
presumably you've been to campaign

805
00:38:20,089 --> 00:38:18,200
events together presumably somewhat

806
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:20,099
support each other but you can tell me

807
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:24,089
if that's if that's wrong and yet she

808
00:38:33,319 --> 00:38:27,569
goes against the clear desire of the

809
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:33,329
mayor and the chief of police to ensure

810
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:37,200
that this guy walks free and the chief

811
00:38:42,730 --> 00:38:39,690
of police and the mayor were seriously

812
00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:42,740
pissed off about that correct what is

813
00:38:49,339 --> 00:38:45,270
going on behind the scenes

814
00:38:50,809 --> 00:38:49,349
I mean as I said this is the scandal and

815
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:50,819
this is what we need to get to the

816
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:54,049
bottom of because there's some odd

817
00:38:59,450 --> 00:38:57,210
explanation for why they would have done

818
00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:59,460
this for him I mean I was frankly

819
00:39:04,130 --> 00:39:01,980
surprised that Emanuel did come out so

820
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:04,140
strongly against her because I thought

821
00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:06,510
okay here we go this is you know

822
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:09,630
politicians protecting a liberal

823
00:39:15,859 --> 00:39:13,680
Hollywood actor and you know the thing

824
00:39:19,309 --> 00:39:15,869
got very political because of the maggot

825
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:19,319
thing and the Trump thing right and you

826
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:21,210
know it frankly it you know you had a

827
00:39:24,890 --> 00:39:22,950
lot of liberals jump on boards they see

828
00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:24,900
this is the discrimination and the

829
00:39:28,579 --> 00:39:26,670
racism we've been talking about these

830
00:39:30,980 --> 00:39:28,589
are these maggie's they're out to beat

831
00:39:34,539 --> 00:39:30,990
up black guys so it was a highly charged

832
00:39:37,819 --> 00:39:34,549
political thing so that that's why I was

833
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:37,829
happy to see that rahm emanuel came out

834
00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:41,280
and was super critical ya know i think

835
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:44,280
that the you know well there's only one

836
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:46,290
party in Cook County in this democratic

837
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:48,420
party but there's a lot of divisions

838
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:50,220
within that so

839
00:39:55,220 --> 00:39:52,680
but I thought Emanuel was really

840
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:55,230
straightforward on that and didn't pull

841
00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:58,410
any punches and you know and as eddie

842
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:01,260
johnson to highly critical

843
00:40:06,430 --> 00:40:03,300
and I think you know with with Lightfoot

844
00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:06,440
in as the new mayor she is gonna be

845
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:09,030
certainly what she wants in and she has

846
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:10,650
stated publicly she wants mullet

847
00:40:19,580 --> 00:40:15,570
prosecuted and and held responsible for

848
00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:19,590
being I don't know just dumb like guess

849
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:23,120
was that was that even a campaign issue

850
00:40:30,350 --> 00:40:25,650
which he ran no that wasn't really a

851
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:30,360
campaign issue with her III don't think

852
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:32,970
it really there was any great discussion

853
00:40:40,180 --> 00:40:34,920
a lot of people didn't think she would

854
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:40,190
win she beat Tony prek Winkle who is the

855
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:43,020
chairwoman of the Cook County Board and

856
00:40:51,350 --> 00:40:46,170
also a chair of the Cook County

857
00:40:54,110 --> 00:40:51,360
Democratic Party so practical problem

858
00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:54,120
probably would have backed Kym Fox and

859
00:40:58,340 --> 00:40:56,790
but that never came up really as a big

860
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:58,350
issue in the campaign

861
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:01,020
I think it's was more an issue for the

862
00:41:08,570 --> 00:41:03,450
police department certainly then so who

863
00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:08,580
is the prosecutor who cut the deal that

864
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:11,430
would have been in the first time when

865
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:12,480
the charges were dropped

866
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:16,050
right well I well I would say you know

867
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:19,890
Kym Fox had had a lot to do with it but

868
00:41:24,590 --> 00:41:22,650
but she's denying that so who's the

869
00:41:26,660 --> 00:41:24,600
person which here accuses herself and

870
00:41:31,810 --> 00:41:26,670
therefore who took over there would have

871
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:31,820
been her first assistant name escapes me

872
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:35,490
but he would have been the one calling

873
00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:37,170
the shots okay and what are people

874
00:41:44,090 --> 00:41:40,230
saying about him uh not too much at this

875
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:44,100
point he's kind of had a low profile

876
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:48,210
because all of the the boss has the

877
00:41:51,590 --> 00:41:49,980
final say I mean she is the one

878
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:51,600
responsible for the office and whatever

879
00:41:58,430 --> 00:41:55,320
happens well but but sorry but if she

880
00:42:00,260 --> 00:41:58,440
recused herself then she's not supposed

881
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:00,270
to have the final say so this guy was

882
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:02,130
supposed to have the final say correct

883
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:05,760
wait yeah he says it was he says it was

884
00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:09,240
a he's defended the decision to do that

885
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:14,220
uh but and I think it could it would if

886
00:42:19,339 --> 00:42:15,089
it would have been

887
00:42:22,459 --> 00:42:19,349
handled better the the there wouldn't

888
00:42:26,509 --> 00:42:22,469
have been this big public outcry but I

889
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:26,519
mean he cut that deal was he saying that

890
00:42:32,569 --> 00:42:29,160
oh you know we're cutting this deal

891
00:42:36,380 --> 00:42:32,579
because we don't think that this that

892
00:42:38,269 --> 00:42:36,390
that small that was guilty or that we

893
00:42:40,009 --> 00:42:38,279
don't think that we can prove that he

894
00:42:44,059 --> 00:42:40,019
was guilty

895
00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:44,069
I that was never explained I certainly

896
00:42:48,789 --> 00:42:46,950
they could prove that I I think the

897
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:48,799
preponderance of the evidence was that

898
00:42:54,859 --> 00:42:52,440
Smollett did rig this this sort of

899
00:42:56,839 --> 00:42:54,869
confrontation and false story to gain

900
00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:56,849
sympathy so he could get a pay increase

901
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,700
on Empire so the argument would have

902
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,400
been but at the end of the day this is a

903
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:04,319
relatively petty crime he's gonna

904
00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:05,940
forfeit his ten thousand dollar bail

905
00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:07,859
right

906
00:43:11,180 --> 00:43:09,630
I forget was there anything else he was

907
00:43:13,339 --> 00:43:11,190
supposed to do some community service or

908
00:43:17,749 --> 00:43:13,349
something yes some minor community

909
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:17,759
service work you know but bill Conway

910
00:43:25,489 --> 00:43:20,609
who is currently running against Kim Fox

911
00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:25,499
for state's attorney seized on a case a

912
00:43:32,539 --> 00:43:28,140
Cook County case in which a young black

913
00:43:35,269 --> 00:43:32,549
woman was charged with felony filing a

914
00:43:38,859 --> 00:43:35,279
false police report over a financial

915
00:43:41,749 --> 00:43:38,869
some sort of financial transaction phony

916
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:41,759
where they she got two thousand three

917
00:43:50,349 --> 00:43:46,170
thousand dollars and she was charged

918
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:50,359
with a felony and a Cook County judge

919
00:43:56,599 --> 00:43:53,880
said made a big issue out of it Mark

920
00:44:00,410 --> 00:43:56,609
Martin and he said you know how come

921
00:44:02,690 --> 00:44:00,420
you're not getting off like some other

922
00:44:04,999 --> 00:44:02,700
people doing Cook County when they file

923
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:05,009
false police return so it's become a

924
00:44:13,940 --> 00:44:09,049
campaign issue now for Conway and and

925
00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:13,950
Kim Fox and it has really become more

926
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:18,900
than just a just a disorderly conduct

927
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:20,700
case against smollett filing a false

928
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,690
police report which is a fairly minor a

929
00:44:28,549 --> 00:44:26,400
fairly minor but it can be a felony

930
00:44:32,410 --> 00:44:28,559
right it can be a felony

931
00:44:36,589 --> 00:44:32,420
yes and and if there was ever a major

932
00:44:38,689 --> 00:44:36,599
example of a false police report in my

933
00:44:42,469 --> 00:44:38,699
opinion this would be it this isn't

934
00:44:43,999 --> 00:44:42,479
saying that your girlfriend hits you to

935
00:44:46,549 --> 00:44:44,009
get back at your girlfriend and it

936
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:46,559
really didn't happen I mean this guy

937
00:44:54,799 --> 00:44:49,529
there's nothing more disgusting than

938
00:44:58,819 --> 00:44:54,809
what this guy set up to foment races

939
00:45:03,370 --> 00:44:58,829
racial feelings homophobic feelings you

940
00:45:06,589 --> 00:45:03,380
know to try to trade on true victims of

941
00:45:10,009 --> 00:45:06,599
discrimination and homophobia true

942
00:45:11,959 --> 00:45:10,019
victims and and pretend like he's been a

943
00:45:15,049 --> 00:45:11,969
victim of it for his own personal

944
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:15,059
benefit is just disgusting and and

945
00:45:19,069 --> 00:45:17,249
that's the attitude that everybody has

946
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:19,079
about this they're absolutely disgusted

947
00:45:22,779 --> 00:45:19,410
by it

948
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:22,789
he's a dist easy he's a disgusting

949
00:45:30,589 --> 00:45:25,920
disgusting human being assuming this is

950
00:45:33,169 --> 00:45:30,599
true well certainly a disgraceful action

951
00:45:36,289 --> 00:45:33,179
you know and you're right I mean he's

952
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:36,299
trying to use all of the the sympathy

953
00:45:41,329 --> 00:45:39,599
and empathy for people who are

954
00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:41,339
discriminated against for whatever

955
00:45:47,989 --> 00:45:44,670
reason for his own personal gain to make

956
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:47,999
people feel sorry for him or so he can

957
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:49,650
get some publicity well he's got a lot

958
00:45:54,529 --> 00:45:51,689
of publicity and I don't think I think

959
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:54,539
most of it's not the kind he wants so I

960
00:45:59,449 --> 00:45:56,729
think there's gonna be some scandal

961
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:59,459
that's going to be unveiled here whether

962
00:46:06,469 --> 00:46:02,880
it was political or there was money

963
00:46:10,009 --> 00:46:06,479
under the table or undue influence and

964
00:46:13,279 --> 00:46:10,019
now there's some semi conspiracy

965
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:13,289
theories that are being floated so let

966
00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:14,910
me just run one of them by you I don't

967
00:46:21,140 --> 00:46:17,579
know if you've you've heard this one but

968
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:21,150
there's reports that an FBI agent

969
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:23,130
because you know there's been federal

970
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:25,410
investigations of this also anytime

971
00:46:31,969 --> 00:46:28,729
you've got hate crimes it's it's federal

972
00:46:34,099 --> 00:46:31,979
that an FBI agent that has was brought

973
00:46:41,269 --> 00:46:34,109
in to investigate this named Gregory

974
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:41,279
wing he specializes in sex trafficking

975
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:42,210
and

976
00:46:51,710 --> 00:46:48,210
people are wondering why was this

977
00:46:56,089 --> 00:46:51,720
particular FBI agent brought in to this

978
00:46:57,740 --> 00:46:56,099
case well you know I maybe he didn't

979
00:47:02,000 --> 00:46:57,750
have anything going on but IIIi don't

980
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:02,010
know why somebody involved investigating

981
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,770
sex trafficking a would would come in

982
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:07,200
but ever you know the agents and police

983
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,099
officers are you know they are trying to

984
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:13,680
investigate all kinds of crimes so he

985
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:16,140
may specialize in child sex trafficking

986
00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:18,690
but this maybe is something that his

987
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:21,150
supervisor said well you got time to do

988
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,400
this who I'm not sure I mean I'm not

989
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,200
privy to that kind of information the

990
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:27,599
FBI is pretty secretive about that stuff

991
00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:30,390
usually this particular guy is quoted as

992
00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:34,790
saying that Chicago is ground zero for

993
00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:38,670
what he described as celebrity sex

994
00:47:42,740 --> 00:47:41,099
trafficking which I'm not sure exactly

995
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:42,750
what he means by that but presumably

996
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:49,740
it's providing you know sex for

997
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:52,560
celebrities in Chicago including

998
00:47:59,630 --> 00:47:57,930
potentially with minors well I don't

999
00:48:01,220 --> 00:47:59,640
know if it's ground zero but certainly

1000
00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:01,230
there was a you described it as ground

1001
00:48:05,780 --> 00:48:03,540
zero I've never heard this before in my

1002
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:05,790
life my pretty are Curtis handed it to

1003
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:08,940
me and how her ago and and it is it is

1004
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:11,849
true that he is actually that quote is

1005
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:13,650
about ten years old I think when he was

1006
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:15,780
talking about this but this guy has

1007
00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:18,510
experience investigating sex trafficking

1008
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:21,630
in Chicago and I don't know maybe he was

1009
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:23,700
overstating things a bit because he was

1010
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:26,089
wrapped up in some cases at the time but

1011
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,980
for some reason he used that term that

1012
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:31,200
Chicago is ground zero for say child sex

1013
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:35,310
trafficking and and celebrity caught him

1014
00:48:43,220 --> 00:48:38,910
a celebrity pin celebrity pimps whatever

1015
00:48:46,099 --> 00:48:43,230
that means i mister as mr. crime in

1016
00:48:48,530 --> 00:48:46,109
Chicago is this something that you've

1017
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,540
run across well sex trafficking yes

1018
00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:50,160
there's a lot of sex trafficking in

1019
00:48:55,820 --> 00:48:52,470
Chicago and the Chicago area and the

1020
00:48:59,740 --> 00:48:55,830
Chicago suburbs too and you

1021
00:49:03,520 --> 00:48:59,750
you and human trafficking as well

1022
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:03,530
celebrity sex trafficking you know I

1023
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:06,570
haven't seen many celebrities convicted

1024
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:12,420
of that so I see crazy if you want to

1025
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:15,810
just you know take it to where this

1026
00:49:20,210 --> 00:49:17,510
potentially would lead but we're really

1027
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:20,220
speculating now so I'll just have this

1028
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:22,770
on that but that you know is it possible

1029
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:25,410
that Smollett was involved in something

1030
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:29,520
at a higher level and they didn't want

1031
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:32,040
him to talk about that or try to plea

1032
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:34,260
bargain out based on information that he

1033
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:36,660
knows and so some back channels were

1034
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:39,540
used to to get him off so that something

1035
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:44,940
larger was not exposed I don't I don't

1036
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:48,930
think so I mean you know there was so

1037
00:49:53,810 --> 00:49:52,410
much time invested in this case on the

1038
00:49:58,210 --> 00:49:53,820
part of the Chicago Police Department

1039
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,220
with detectives and I they would have

1040
00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:00,960
uncovered anything like that III don't

1041
00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:03,240
they talked to hundreds of witnesses and

1042
00:50:11,180 --> 00:50:07,800
hundreds of people I just don't buy that

1043
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,190
whole thing that he was small that was

1044
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:13,200
involved in some sort of sex trafficking

1045
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,960
ring for celebrities and that they're

1046
00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:17,760
trying to cover it up now they found out

1047
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:20,670
you know it's it's a stretch but but I

1048
00:50:27,590 --> 00:50:23,700
think we both agree that influence was

1049
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:27,600
exerted and pretty strong influence to

1050
00:50:33,050 --> 00:50:30,720
get somebody off of something that the

1051
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:33,060
nation was shocked by the mayor was

1052
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:34,740
shocked by the police chief was shocked

1053
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:39,900
by so he had something that was able to

1054
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:42,060
get him off of something that nobody

1055
00:50:47,810 --> 00:50:44,850
else could have gotten off on and what

1056
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:47,820
maybe it was just a phone call maybe it

1057
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:51,180
was an under-the-table payment maybe he

1058
00:50:57,110 --> 00:50:54,090
has information that he threatened to

1059
00:50:59,810 --> 00:50:57,120
release that would have been you know

1060
00:51:04,520 --> 00:50:59,820
damaging incriminating embarrassing to

1061
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:04,530
certain people we don't know I I would

1062
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:06,300
think that would have come out already

1063
00:51:14,689 --> 00:51:09,569
but I do think that

1064
00:51:17,539 --> 00:51:14,699
Kym Fox really had no idea and and her

1065
00:51:20,659 --> 00:51:17,549
her first assistant baguettes that's the

1066
00:51:23,089 --> 00:51:20,669
guys name is McGann's really didn't have

1067
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:23,099
any idea the Fuhrer this would cause I

1068
00:51:29,059 --> 00:51:26,130
think they were just naive about the

1069
00:51:31,669 --> 00:51:29,069
potential publicity backlash and the

1070
00:51:33,889 --> 00:51:31,679
potential backlash from other people in

1071
00:51:36,529 --> 00:51:33,899
in the city government and the county

1072
00:51:39,709 --> 00:51:36,539
government as well so I I just think

1073
00:51:41,479 --> 00:51:39,719
they had no idea I just think they

1074
00:51:44,149 --> 00:51:41,489
thought oh we can do this and we'll drop

1075
00:51:48,859 --> 00:51:44,159
it and it'll be okay and it'll go away

1076
00:51:50,929 --> 00:51:48,869
well because Kim Fox was not a greatly

1077
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:50,939
experienced prosecutor in the first

1078
00:51:57,949 --> 00:51:55,079
place so she had done mostly juvenile

1079
00:52:00,739 --> 00:51:57,959
work so III just don't think she had any

1080
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:00,749
any clue and I'm surprised that

1081
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:03,599
maquettes had no clue either so let's

1082
00:52:09,699 --> 00:52:06,689
let's talk about blog Oh before we let

1083
00:52:12,859 --> 00:52:09,709
you go blah-blah-blah-blah go

1084
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:12,869
Blagojevich the Illinois governor who

1085
00:52:17,539 --> 00:52:16,319
was sentenced to 14 years primarily I

1086
00:52:18,919 --> 00:52:17,549
know there was a number of things that

1087
00:52:22,129 --> 00:52:18,929
he was accused of but I think it was

1088
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:22,139
primarily as a result of him trying to

1089
00:52:27,620 --> 00:52:25,380
sell Barack Obama's Senate seat when Moe

1090
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:27,630
Bhama became president he vacated a

1091
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:29,099
Senate seat and it's up to the state

1092
00:52:35,809 --> 00:52:33,649
governor to appoint his replacement so

1093
00:52:39,379 --> 00:52:35,819
you know it's not easy to become a

1094
00:52:41,209 --> 00:52:39,389
senator it costs a lot of money to

1095
00:52:42,919 --> 00:52:41,219
become a senator and a lot of work and

1096
00:52:44,389 --> 00:52:42,929
so on and here's something he's just

1097
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:44,399
gonna be handed the position and

1098
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,649
Blagojevich recognizes that oh I'm gonna

1099
00:52:55,389 --> 00:52:51,839
give this to somebody who is gonna give

1100
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:55,399
something to me and just remind us all

1101
00:53:00,799 --> 00:52:58,319
what was it in particular that he was

1102
00:53:02,629 --> 00:53:00,809
demanding that somebody give to him in

1103
00:53:08,509 --> 00:53:02,639
exchange for him giving them that Senate

1104
00:53:11,629 --> 00:53:08,519
seat well this case that case he was you

1105
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:11,639
know he had that Senate seat to appoint

1106
00:53:18,169 --> 00:53:15,599
somebody to but he also lets us a US

1107
00:53:20,769 --> 00:53:18,179
Senate seat he also was trying to shake

1108
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:20,779
down the CEO of Children's Hospital

1109
00:53:24,940 --> 00:53:22,609
Children's Memorial

1110
00:53:30,099 --> 00:53:24,950
Chicago for campaign contributions in

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00:53:33,489 --> 00:53:30,109
return for favorable favorable state

1112
00:53:36,910 --> 00:53:33,499
funds to the Children's Hospital so he

1113
00:53:38,739 --> 00:53:36,920
was trying to basically extort money

1114
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:38,749
from people and I'm sure when he said oh

1115
00:53:44,259 --> 00:53:41,529
this is golden about the US Senate seat

1116
00:53:45,370 --> 00:53:44,269
famous quote from him I'm sure that's

1117
00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:45,380
what he was thinking

1118
00:53:49,390 --> 00:53:47,150
this is golden I'm gonna get a big

1119
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:49,400
campaign contribution and I have to say

1120
00:53:53,650 --> 00:53:51,049
this that there was conversations

1121
00:53:56,739 --> 00:53:53,660
between him and the current governor JB

1122
00:54:00,279 --> 00:53:56,749
Pritzker at that time because they were

1123
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:00,289
looking for somebody who would fill the

1124
00:54:06,460 --> 00:54:03,410
seat right so there was there was some

1125
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:06,470
search for a candidate okay let me stop

1126
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:07,970
you there and ask a couple questions so

1127
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:10,450
first of all the JB Pritzker

1128
00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:13,369
conversation he's the current governor

1129
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:16,700
now what was the conversation about at

1130
00:54:24,460 --> 00:54:19,599
the time the Senate seat was available

1131
00:54:26,829 --> 00:54:24,470
well I the the conversation I think

1132
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,839
frisk was throwing his hat in the ring I

1133
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:28,880
don't think there was any discussion

1134
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:31,249
about money or campaign contributions

1135
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:36,079
but people speculate that there may have

1136
00:54:42,180 --> 00:54:38,960
been discussions between your current

1137
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:42,190
governor in Blagojevich about okay

1138
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:46,249
governor Blagojevich what do I need to

1139
00:54:51,999 --> 00:54:49,970
do for you to get the seat yes there is

1140
00:54:53,769 --> 00:54:52,009
speculation about that that there there

1141
00:54:56,890 --> 00:54:53,779
there may have been discussions about

1142
00:54:59,229 --> 00:54:56,900
how you know I'm interested in the seat

1143
00:55:01,210 --> 00:54:59,239
in the US Senate seat and you know would

1144
00:55:03,549 --> 00:55:01,220
be that's not an out of the ordinary

1145
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:03,559
people would be calling or calling the

1146
00:55:08,349 --> 00:55:05,839
governor's chief of staff saying hey I'm

1147
00:55:11,019 --> 00:55:08,359
interested in the seat can I put my

1148
00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:11,029
application in but you know for

1149
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:13,720
Blagojevich the application had to be

1150
00:55:19,660 --> 00:55:17,089
accompanied by some some cash so that

1151
00:55:22,989 --> 00:55:19,670
was what really the FBI was looking at

1152
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:22,999
yes and and specifically we've all heard

1153
00:55:26,349 --> 00:55:24,799
that quote a lot of people forgotten

1154
00:55:28,420 --> 00:55:26,359
because it's been some time but he was

1155
00:55:30,339 --> 00:55:28,430
wiretapped at the time where he was

1156
00:55:31,809 --> 00:55:30,349
talking about hey essentially I'm not

1157
00:55:33,309 --> 00:55:31,819
just given the seat out to anybody this

1158
00:55:36,890 --> 00:55:33,319
is a golden opportunity for me to

1159
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:36,900
capitalize on this do they also have

1160
00:55:43,850 --> 00:55:39,300
that he specifically demanded X amount

1161
00:55:46,850 --> 00:55:43,860
of money from someone know there was you

1162
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:46,860
know there was no demand for any

1163
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:50,850
specific amount of money I comment that

1164
00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:52,410
this is a golden opportunity for me what

1165
00:55:57,070 --> 00:55:54,180
else did they have on him

1166
00:56:00,080 --> 00:55:57,080
they had his attempt to get cash

1167
00:56:00,890 --> 00:56:00,090
contributions from the CEO of Children's

1168
00:56:02,780 --> 00:56:00,900
Hospital

1169
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:02,790
okay what about regarding in the US

1170
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:04,800
Senate seat pardon

1171
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:06,810
what about specifically regarding the US

1172
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:11,570
Senate seat nothing specific about

1173
00:56:21,260 --> 00:56:17,210
getting getting anything any specific

1174
00:56:24,110 --> 00:56:21,270
amounts of contributions from from any

1175
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:24,120
specific party I think the FBI when they

1176
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:27,090
heard him say this is effing golden as

1177
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:29,670
basically his quote they thought they

1178
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:32,850
had a case and that they proceeded then

1179
00:56:42,410 --> 00:56:38,730
with you know and indicted him on well

1180
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:42,420
attempt its attempted extortion I well

1181
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:44,610
it was any in fact convicted of that he

1182
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:47,250
wasn't convicted so it just I I guess

1183
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:48,570
I'm just a little surprised it doesn't

1184
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:50,730
seem like that's enough to convict

1185
00:56:55,460 --> 00:56:52,500
somebody to simply make the comment that

1186
00:56:58,070 --> 00:56:55,470
this is [\h__\h] golden without damn him

1187
00:57:00,800 --> 00:56:58,080
actually then implementing the plan I

1188
00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:00,810
think you know I I kind of agree with

1189
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:02,760
that I thought well no money really

1190
00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:05,610
exchanged hands nobody came in with a

1191
00:57:11,150 --> 00:57:08,460
with a bagful or a shoebox full of money

1192
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:11,160
like the old Secretary of State had

1193
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:17,010
power but he the feds obviously thought

1194
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:19,430
they did in the government the judge

1195
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:23,310
thought he did so um and the grand jury

1196
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:25,920
thought he's done enough for an

1197
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:28,350
indictment on these charges but I have

1198
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:30,690
to say that I thought really that's just

1199
00:57:36,050 --> 00:57:33,330
kind of like slushy politics but it's is

1200
00:57:38,780 --> 00:57:36,060
it illegal politics right I mean when

1201
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:38,790
also of the question is was he looking

1202
00:57:42,650 --> 00:57:40,740
for campaign contributions or was he

1203
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:42,660
looking for cash in his pocket well

1204
00:57:49,580 --> 00:57:45,480
campaign contributions because you want

1205
00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:49,590
he had he had further aspirations I

1206
00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:50,280
think

1207
00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:51,990
young governor of Illinois which is

1208
00:57:55,340 --> 00:57:53,640
summer I like to point out a lot when we

1209
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:55,350
talk about corruption in America which

1210
00:57:59,810 --> 00:57:57,570
is a major problem but fortunately I

1211
00:58:02,480 --> 00:57:59,820
think that we're generally speaking one

1212
00:58:04,610 --> 00:58:02,490
of the least corrupt countries in the

1213
00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:04,620
world in hence the reason why we're so

1214
00:58:10,580 --> 00:58:07,470
successful because corruption in America

1215
00:58:11,930 --> 00:58:10,590
typically is campaign contributions in

1216
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:11,940
exchange for favors

1217
00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:14,250
in other words of the world its cash in

1218
00:58:20,540 --> 00:58:17,460
your pocket Friday versus right right

1219
00:58:25,580 --> 00:58:20,550
yeah a friend of mine had a dance studio

1220
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:25,590
downtown they wanted to put in a loading

1221
00:58:31,580 --> 00:58:28,290
zone right a loading zone in front of

1222
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:31,590
the in front of the building so that

1223
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:32,970
parents could come and pick up their

1224
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:34,950
little kids without double parking and

1225
00:58:39,830 --> 00:58:36,900
stuff like that so they called the

1226
00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:39,840
aldermen and the response was yeah yeah

1227
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,660
the alderman is having a fundraiser and

1228
00:58:46,420 --> 00:58:44,640
why don't you come to that and you can

1229
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:46,430
talk to the aldermen about getting here

1230
00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:50,850
loading zone signs put up in front of

1231
00:58:55,550 --> 00:58:53,270
your business so that's how it works and

1232
00:58:57,770 --> 00:58:55,560
yeah I don't think anybody feels

1233
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,780
terribly bad about the idea that if you

1234
00:59:02,450 --> 00:58:59,520
make a campaign contribution the guy is

1235
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:02,460
more likely to to speak to you I mean

1236
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:04,680
that's well I have to say when he was

1237
00:59:08,980 --> 00:59:06,450
sentenced to 14 years I thought that was

1238
00:59:12,290 --> 00:59:08,990
very over-the-top you know I thought I

1239
00:59:15,260 --> 00:59:12,300
you know I just thought six years would

1240
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:15,270
have been fine like 14 I thought it was

1241
00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:17,010
too much well it turns out one of the

1242
00:59:21,530 --> 00:59:18,630
smartest things that he did was

1243
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:21,540
appearing on Celebrity Apprentice yeah

1244
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:23,970
because but for that appearance he

1245
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:25,170
probably wouldn't have gotten this

1246
00:59:31,580 --> 00:59:28,110
commuted why Trump yes

1247
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:31,590
I I would say is truly very very easy to

1248
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:36,210
play Trump if you like him he likes you

1249
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:39,510
yeah you don't like him he does not like

1250
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:41,040
you it's that simple

1251
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:44,700
and Ed in Blagojevich I'm sure developed

1252
00:59:51,140 --> 00:59:46,980
a relationship with Trump through being

1253
00:59:52,730 --> 00:59:51,150
on the apprentice and Trump never forgot

1254
00:59:54,980 --> 00:59:52,740
that that's not to say there wasn't I'm

1255
00:59:56,420 --> 00:59:54,990
sure lots of back channels - yeah

1256
00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:56,430
ultimately gets this part in because

1257
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:58,440
pardons aren't easy to get but there's

1258
01:00:02,180 --> 01:00:00,420
no doubt that it all emanated from his

1259
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:02,190
appearance on The Apprentice yeah I

1260
01:00:06,290 --> 01:00:04,110
agree with that he

1261
01:00:08,060 --> 01:00:06,300
made that contact and you know the thing

1262
01:00:11,060 --> 01:00:08,070
about boot boy a [\h__\h] was he's not a

1263
01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:11,070
like an evil guy or anything I mean when

1264
01:00:16,460 --> 01:00:14,460
he was a congressman he helped because

1265
01:00:18,590 --> 01:00:16,470
he speaks Serbian his parents were

1266
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:18,600
Serbian he went over and helped

1267
01:00:24,380 --> 01:00:21,450
negotiate with Jesse Jackson the release

1268
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,390
of some US military people held by

1269
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:26,640
slobodan milosevic beckoned

1270
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:29,640
I think 99 things like that so it's not

1271
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:35,610
like he's a total evil you know criminal

1272
01:00:40,940 --> 01:00:38,640
mind kind of guy he's just brought up in

1273
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:40,950
the Chicago way and thinks that's how

1274
01:00:47,090 --> 01:00:43,890
politics is run so I did feel bad for

1275
01:00:49,610 --> 01:00:47,100
him when he when he got 14 years but now

1276
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:49,620
that he's out and he can't stop talking

1277
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:52,410
about how he's a political prisoner I'm

1278
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:55,050
thinking I stopped feeling sorry for him

1279
01:00:59,420 --> 01:00:56,640
right there I don't there's a lot of

1280
01:01:03,110 --> 01:00:59,430
support in in you know his name he's a

1281
01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:03,120
regular guy very affable talk your ear

1282
01:01:08,510 --> 01:01:05,880
off that sort of thing so but and am i

1283
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:08,520
right that the Republicans in your

1284
01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:11,760
legislature were not happy about this no

1285
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:13,260
not happy at all

1286
01:01:18,170 --> 01:01:16,170
and I think across the board a lot of

1287
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:18,180
Republicans were not happy about it and

1288
01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:21,000
why is that since it's your view that

1289
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:23,790
the sentence was overly harsh well I

1290
01:01:30,740 --> 01:01:27,930
think especially in Illinois which is

1291
01:01:33,740 --> 01:01:30,750
you know the house is run by Manakin

1292
01:01:36,590 --> 01:01:33,750
Democratic controlled State Legislature

1293
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:36,600
and the Democrats are the enemies in rod

1294
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:38,610
Blagojevich has been a Democrat all his

1295
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:41,370
political life right and but now he's a

1296
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:44,610
trumpet crap so so I think they just

1297
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:47,640
viewed it as a party-line thing rather

1298
01:01:54,380 --> 01:01:51,930
than and did want would like to see the

1299
01:01:57,830 --> 01:01:54,390
Democratic power brokers in the state

1300
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:57,840
broken so that you know the Republicans

1301
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:00,240
have an equal say in what's going on

1302
01:02:04,940 --> 01:02:02,970
that makes sense a I had forgotten for a

1303
01:02:07,850 --> 01:02:04,950
second that he's a Democrat so obviously

1304
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:07,860
the Republicans were gonna do what

1305
01:02:11,450 --> 01:02:09,510
they're gonna do yeah and he wouldn't

1306
01:02:15,530 --> 01:02:11,460
have been anywhere if he hadn't married

1307
01:02:17,870 --> 01:02:15,540
the daughter of dick Mel a really clout

1308
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:17,880
heavy Chicago aldermen